Evolution

[benoit489]

It's taught in schools, but why? I am going to be referencing Lee Strobel from a book called "The Case for Faith". The book addresses 8 common objections non-believers and believers have to address.

1. Since evil and suffering exist, a loving God cannot.
2. Since miracles contradict science, they cannot be true.
3. Evolution explains life, so God isn't needed.
4. God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children.
5. It's offensive to claim Jesus is the only way to God.
6. A loving God would never torture people in Hell.
7. Church history is littered with oppression and violence.
8. I still have doubts, so I can't be a Christian.Some background info on Strobel:

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Darwin understood the shortcomings of his own theory. He knew that it could be easily disproved, and that he didn't have much to prove it. It was nothing more than a theory, a loosely connected one at that. So why is it taught in school, especially since the theory has become weaker and weaker over time?

Evolution doesn't explain away a God because evolution does not have a creation story. There's no plausible way for chemicals to form into something living on the early earth.

Darwin understood that the lack of transition fossils of species during evolution could hamper his theory. He did, however, believe that in the future we would find these transition fossils. Well here we are, over a century later and we still haven't found anything.

[Young Link Addict]

I believe in evolution. So do my friends. We think people evolving from animals makes more since than one "all mighty" man created everyone and everything. Then again what created this man? You see he could not have created himself and thus evolution is the only explanation.

Also something must be wrong with God if he let his son die. What kind of father does that? That's just incredibly stupid.

[Alba]

Evolution all the way on this one. It's the only logical explination for how we came into being other than that the invisible man in the sky dropped us here.

And I don't believe in the sky, so God is disproven.

/badjoke


On a more serious note, I do believe that we descend from monkeys, etc. God cannot be proven, but evolution can't be fully proven until we realise we are still evolving, which I expect. Mankind is far from perfect, so I expect we're still being tweaked to perfection. Possibly our new-found kindness towards the environment is a sign of this. We are gaining intelligence, so maybe it's some kind of evolution. Maybe not natural, but man-made evolution. We've reached the point where we no longer need divine intervention to aid our evolution and we can now move on by ourselves. This could be an explination as to why old tales tell of God speaking with humans, because they were still very much part of the world below, rather than withdrawing to let us walk free and evolve by ourselves.

And yes; I do believe in God. I could think of many ways to fit him easily into my scientific beliefs with a little thought.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

Also something must be wrong with God if he let his son die. What kind of father does that? That's just incredibly stupid.

Not to sound like I'm making fun of you or anything, but you have almost zero understanding of why God let Jesus die. :| See John 3:16. Yes. That over-recited verse.

This is the basis of evolution:

Animal goes on it's way. Animal has baby. Baby animal has slight mutation. This mutation was miraculously something that didn't kill it before it could have more babies. (Let's just say, it was better hearing or something.) Over an EXTREMELY long amount of time (millions of years), the offspring of the original mutated animal over populates the other, because let's just say, it could avoid death more because it could hear the predatory animal earlier. Eventually, these mutated versions of the original all survive, and none of the original animals do. And thus, the animal evolved to have better hearing.



But still, the chance that these animals have a major genetic mutation which actually let's them survive long enough to reproduce is very very slim. Let alone, if it is a major genetic mutation which actually makes them superior to the original animal.

And, people not only believe that (^), however slim the chances may be, they believe absurd crazy stuff, like that the horse was originally some reptile, that the chicken evolved from some dinosaur, and that us human came from some ape thing. Even over an almost infinite amount of time, I highly doubt that one animal can transform into a completely new animal through very rare genetic mutations.

[cheat-master30]

I personally am a heavy believer in evolution, but I will say it now, I'm not an atheist. I have nothing against the idea of a God, just I hate creationism/intelligent design.

But to the actual relevant topic, I'll say a few things why I personally believe in it:

1. First of all, evolution is based on scientific evidence, as in, supported by fossils and what not rather than faith. I am not one to just believe a book that anyone could have written a few thousand years ago, and quite honestly, empirical scientific evidence are generally more logical to believe than any unjustified millenia old source.

2. Secondly, again, evidence. There is far less evidence fitting creationism than there is evolution. Trust me on this, the only reason some Americans (because quite honestly, religious based origin stories are pretty much non existant in terms of belief anywhere else in modern times) believe in creationism, is because the creationists refit evidence to fit the theory, similar way to conspiracy theorists. Ad hoc modification of theories in other terms. And a lot of excuses based on 'God is all powerful and hence he did this for no utter reason!', which is not an excusable argument in any scientific or philosophical discourse. Sure, believe God is 'all powerful and all loving', argue with the problem of evil fifty million ways, but you can do that in another topic, one about theological debates. 'It just is' is not a scientific argument.

Evolution doesn't explain away a God because evolution does not have a creation story. There's no plausible way for chemicals to form into something living on the early earth.


Debatable. Living creatures are formed from various materials and chemicals like anything else. There is nothing saying in science 'God doesn't/can't exist', nor is there against saying he may have caused the Big Bang. But this is general ignorance.

Darwin understood that the lack of transition fossils of species during evolution could hamper his theory. He did, however, believe that in the future we would find these transition fossils. Well here we are, over a century later and we still haven't found anything.

There's at least three types of half dinosaur half bird creatures that have had fossils found for, and apparently from what I read, evidence some dinosaurs have feathers. There are also various reptiles with mammal type features and stuff on the fossil record. There's probably a human/ape common ancestor found somewhere. Sure, there's not all the evidence needed yet, but it's a relatively modern theory still.

So why is it taught in school, especially since the theory has become weaker and weaker over time?

No better theory. No, an evidence less theory with ad hoc modifications that is barely scientific is not a better theory. If there was a natural theory or well supported theory explaining how everything came about, without such unprovable aspects as divine intervention (or solid, cast iron evidence of the divine and the theory possibly based somewhat off it), then evolution would be superceded by the new theory, like so many old scientific theories (aka things like how the Earth going round the sun overruled the Sun going round the Earth theory, and how the spherical Earth theory overruled the flat Earth theory). Best theory generally wins in Science. They, as far as I've been taught and know, look for the theories that best fit the evidence, not exactly for 'the completely rock solid unprovably wrong'.

[Young Link Addict]

Also something must be wrong with God if he let his son die. What kind of father does that? That's just incredibly stupid.

Not to sound like I'm making fun of you or anything, but you have almost zero understanding of why God let Jesus die. :| See John 3:16. Yes. That over-recited verse.


I really don't know anything about it. I have not gone to church since I was about 4. They tought me about God though a mole character that looked kinda like Mr. Resseti. All I know is that God "made the universe, and rules over everyone and if you sin you go to hell." It makes no since.

Also I'm sick of hearing John 3:16. The only time I've ever heard it was at a baseball game. What does it have to do with baseball I don't know.

Also evolution says we were made my monkeys. The funny thing is there are people at my school that looks like monkeys. It's really weird, but it could be used as proof. Somewhat.

[Poofy Chicken]

I don't believe in evolution, because its just too complicated for a monkey to change into a man over many years. It's all too complicated for nature to do that, so I believe in God.

[Alba]

And who said that God didn't help control evolution?

If you believe in God but not evolution, you hereby admit to believing that we appeared on this earth as we are now, even though there is solid proof that humans have blatantly changed from what they were 2000 years ago.

I don't believe in the slightest, however, that evolution disproves the existence of some kind of ethereal being. It hasn't been proven that God didn't have some involvement in our initial creation or that he isn't guiding us along the road of evolution until we truly are fit for his image. Things like God can never be disproven, however. So no matter how hard you protest this theory to someone, they will never accept it unless you supply evidence. Evidence that is most likely impossible to obtain.

For you, Poofy Chicken, I give one word of advice. Don't select your beliefs until you have reviewed all others at your disposal. Though you find it complicated, that doesn't mean it isn't the truth. I can breathe and that process it complicated. But that doesn't mean the explination or proof isn't there. As soon as you understand this, I hope you take the advice and seek out the answers to evolution before selecting your faith.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

And who said that God didn't help control evolution?

Chapter 1 of the Bible. >_>

[Young Link Addict]

God and the world ending in 2012 has the some similarities.

No one knows that God is real or not, and no one knows if the world will really end in 2012. The only way we'll know if when we're dead. Seeing as you only "see" God when you are dead. That's another bogus point. Saying you go to Heaven when you die. When you die you rot in the ground.

Also 2012 may or may not happen, but we'll know when we are dead.

[Alba]

Chapter 1 of the Bible. >_>

I don't view the Bible as a book of facts, but a book of morals. Some things I do believe are real like the constant idea of God watching us and guiding us. I am not the religious type to take all in the Bible literally. I really do make my own morals, but I take to heart the ideas placed down such as Heaven, Hell and our own inevitable fate to be delivered to one or the other.

Also, Young Link Addict, I do believe that a prophecy for the end of the world and God are two drastically different things altogether. I know what you're getting at, and I do regard it as a fitting metaphor.

God cannot be proven beyond a shadow of doubt, whereas 2012 can be. And I think you confuse the fate of your physical body with that of your spirit. Feel free to mock me for my beliefs, but the spirit is one of them. I don't doubt that your body rots in the ground. But that's not you. That's simply your vessel from one life to the next. Heaven and Hell are just resting stops between each new life in my opinion.

[Young Link Addict]

Yeah. That's why we have Scatland. The place where Scatman John talks about in his songs. I'll post it later.

Anyway I would never read the bible. If I wanted to read something fake I would just read it on Wikipedia. :(

So what your saying is you believe in reincarnation? That kinda makes sence, but I don't get reincarnation as very much.

[Alba]

Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body.

This information was salvaged from Wikipedia. I hope it's reliable enough for you, as all edits are obviously unmoderated by a team, because that's the way it is. /sarcasm

Anyway, yes. I do believe in reincarnation. But in a different form. I believe that we die, go to heaven or hell, are praised for living a good life or punished for a bad one and delivered back into a new body, hopefully taking on any lessons recieved from your past life to be inflicted on your new one. I'm not wholly sure of this theory, but it's one that I've been working on as I think it might be one that I believe.

And don't think because of the way I talk I'm a mature adult. I'm 15 if you're interested and don't focus much on stuff like this until times when I have to, A.K.A, now.

Any more debate would be enjoyable. I like to exersize my beliefs, hopefully making them firmer, more flexible and, on the whole, stronger.

Proceed, please.

[Young Link Addict]

I've learned something new today.

Well evolution still makes more sense than God, and reincarnation makes more sense than God, but not as much as incarnation.

[benoit489]

No one knows that God is real or not

Plenty of people do, millions if not billions do.

[cheat-master30]

Um, no, there's no proof God is real. Unless you're one of those people who thinks what the Bible says is set in stone and still hasn't moved on intellectually from the middle ages.

[Young Link Addict]

They believe he's real. They don't know. Faith and reality are 2 different things.

[R.O.B. 2.0]

Honestly, trying to understand how we were created, and whether there is a God is near impossible, maybe completely impossible.

On one hand, why did God create us? How was he there in the first place? Haven't we found evidence supporting evolution?
On the other hand, how did the stuff we evolved from appear? Doesn't the Bible say God exists? Why hasn't any other animal evolved to anything near our intelligence?

[Alba]

*Post was made after Benoit's*

Yes. I like to scan around different beliefs as it were and pick out different parts and see what kind of picture I can make with each piece of the puzzle. I do so a lot in my spare time. My favourite is the one I have been discussing here for quite some time and that's the idea of mankind evolving with God's assistance and, upon death, going to either heaven or hell before being sent back to Earth to live a new life.

But with this, arises the issue of how spirits circulate between Heaven/Hell and the Earth. As we can see, the population fo Earth continues to rise with no visible peak in sight. And with this rise in population, brings the issue of why so many spirits exist all at once. My explination is that we're killing wildlife, therefore, to compensate for the loss of non-human life out in the wild, some of those sould are being thrown into the bodies we continue to create, thus compensating for the loss and continuing the endless flow of life and death.

As I wrote the above, my theories continued to formulate. Now, this is fresh from the factory here, imagine that all the sould of the animals arrive in a new body. From their past life, they take on the lessons of that animal. As we've also seen, it seems that a lot more barabaric acts are being made in the world and the death toll is rising. The sould of the animals have been given to these people and they have taken with them their own violent instincts.

You can comment on that idea and mock it as you like, but I remind you that I only made it up in around 5 minutes, so it's not all that well processed.

[benoit489]

There's more scientific evidence against Evolution than for it. There's an evident lack of transitional fossils. Also, the early earth did not contain the chemicals need to create life. Scientist still cannot explain how life came to be on our planet, and evolution contains no answer for it. Micro-evolution is plausible though, such as the different breeds of dogs and variations amongst other species, but large scale evolution such as ape to man, dinosaur to bird, and other such things have no evidence other than speculation based on similarities with little real evidence.

[benoit489]

Um, no, there's no proof God is real. Unless you're one of those people who thinks what the Bible says is set in stone and still hasn't moved on intellectually from the middle ages.

The Bible has a role to do with people finding God, but it's much more involved than that. If it was that simple everyone would be converts.

[Alba]

There's more scientific evidence against Evolution than for it. There's an evident lack of transitional fossils. Also, the early earth did not contain the chemicals need to create life. Scientist still cannot explain how life came to be on our planet, and evolution contains no answer for it. Micro-evolution is plausible though, such as the different breeds of dogs and variations amongst other species, but large scale evolution such as ape to man, dinosaur to bird, and other such things have no evidence other than speculation based on similarities with little real evidence.

Interesting. I've never had the time to really research as much as this to be honest, so this is quite surprising to read

But it could well be very fine, gradual selective breeding, as with cattle and other animals similar to that.

I believe that, over a huge length of time, apes could have evolved into human beings, but it's odd that we have apes on our planet but no animal that shows signs of having beein in between or prior to the ape. It all seems odd to me. I have to think about this in a little more depth before I state my full opinion, as I fear I might look foolish by saying things that obviously couldn't be true based on this idea you have.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

Um, no, there's no proof God is real.

There's no proof there isn't a God, either. ;)

[Mario15632]

Bottom line for me, evolution should not be taught in school, because all of the pious guys there would have a panic attack. And I don't feel very comfortable talking about this, either...

[shadowknight]

My turn!

I do believe that natural selection takes place, as it can be observed. This does not disprove God or the Bible, though, as the Bible didn't say that we are still exactly how we were atthe time of creation. I also wish to point out that many people are mistaking the Common Ancestor theory with the theory of Evolution, Survival of the Fittest, Natural selection. Any name will do.

Common Ancestor states that all animals are results of mutations that took place over millions of years, starting with a single species that slowly changed and branched off into many different ones.

Natural selection is survival of the fittest, which states that the gene pool is narrowed down by the environment being inhabited, leading to diversity based on the environment. Only the ones best suited for the environment survive, hence the name "Survival of the Fittest."

I do believe that natural selection occurs, and that does not interfere with my belief in God.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

Bottom line for me, evolution should not be taught in school, because all of the pious guys there would have a panic attack. And I don't feel very comfortable talking about this, either...

My teacher, wasn't Christian, but he brought up a nice point. He basically said, "You don't have to believe it, you just have to know about it." He also noted that it was only a theory, several times. I don't really mind it being taught in school, but it would still be nice if it wasn't taught. Or, better yet, if both evolution and creationism were both taught, as "options". :) Besides, I'm glad I was taught a lot about evolution, it makes for better debates, when you know both sides of the argument. ;)

[Mario15632]

Bottom line for me, evolution should not be taught in school, because all of the pious guys there would have a panic attack. And I don't feel very comfortable talking about this, either...

My teacher, wasn't Christian, but he brought up a nice point. He basically said, "You don't have to believe it, you just have to know about it." He also noted that it was only a theory, several times. I don't really mind it being taught in school, but it would still be nice if it wasn't taught. Or, better yet, if both evolution and creationism were both taught, as "options". :) Besides, I'm glad I was taught a lot about evolution, it makes for better debates, when you know both sides of the argument. ;)

True, because if you said "what's evolution?" you would cetainly seem like an ignorant fool. I agree with your teacher's point, however.

[orga the alien]

All im going to say is that if people want religon in school make religous schools like catholic schools. Don't jam the bible down a public schools throat. Keep religon in religous places like at churches. Also if you do believe in god what is so wrong about learning a simple concept like evolution? Why is it bad to read about evolution? Is it because people know that if we read about evolution that less people will beileve in god? Evolution is backed with lots of evidence. In other words read all these theories and books about evolution. Evolution makes sense.
Also just for lolz:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090508-hobbit-foot-hippos.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090123-hobbit-skull.html


Also if Noahs ark was real then you would have to fit every single animal species on board.No I don't mean like:
Cat
Dog
Lion
Mouse
Monkey
I mean like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finch#Family_Fringillidae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae#Species_and_taxonomy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felinae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae#Extant_species
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligatoridae#Taxonomy


Basically get all those animals on an ark and multiply them times 2. Thats a lot of animals. There are still 1000s of other animals to fit on that ark. Not to mention that the animals would fight. So if there was a noahs ark he:
A. brough basics like Cat,mouse Dog and then they evolved(?)
B. Or he just brought every single animal aboard including subspeices.

Also what about Dinosaurs. There is so much evidence that a dinosaurs evolved into birds.
Also evolution is a slow process which happened over millions and millions of years. It's not like suddenly a monkey had a child and it was a human.

And PC thats a pretty bad excuse. :(

[orga the alien]

Bump. http://fxgjkl;jhfgdjhi;jo'kjlhkgfhdfjkguh

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

This will explain some of your questions, orga: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

It actually says, in the Bible, how big God wanted Noah to create the Arc. It was actually, *very* large. It's not like it was this:

http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/noahs_ark_rainbow.jpg

But orga, why are you bringing up the ark?

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

All im going to say is that if people want religon in school make religous schools like catholic schools. Don't jam the bible down a public schools throat. Keep religon in religous places like at churches.

If we want to be religously neutral, we wouldn't teach the atheist religion either. And, like it or not, atheism is too a religion. >_>

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

If you believe in God but not evolution, you hereby admit to believing that we appeared on this earth as we are now, even though there is solid proof that humans have blatantly changed from what they were 2000 years ago.

(Not saying we're dogs or anything...) but it's more like dogs breeding, than evolution. Even the Bible talks of different kinds of humans which we don't have today (Goliath, anyone?). These are all genetic differences, not genetic mutations.

Sorry for the triple post. :\

[benoit489]

Evolution is backed with lots of speculation. In other words read all these theories and books about evolution.

Fix'd for accuracy.

And about the articles you posted, all they are based off is speculation. They even double back on themselves. It's a primitive human because the feet aren't arched, but when other scientist point out that the head is misshaped (making it just a human with genetic disorders) the excuse given is that it's a fossil so that's why the head isn't symmetrical. Well if we're gonna play that game why don't we just say the feet are missing their arch because thousands of years spent in the ground have flattened them out and make the thing human again? Because that doesn't feed the evolution agenda which demands that links need to be found soon.

[Master Yoda]

I can answer some.

1. Since evil and suffering exist, a loving God cannot.
Eve (I believe) bit from the Tree of Knowledge, giving awareness. With awareness, emotions sprout. With strong emotions forms opinions. Those opinions usually lead to violence. (i.e. Muslims to eradicate non-Muslims because Muslims believe their way of worshiping is right.)
2. Since miracles contradict science, they cannot be true.
We should remember that the first complete book of the gospels was finished a generation after Jesus's death. The miracles might be exaggerations. But this is about Jesus, not God.
3. Evolution explains life, so God isn't needed.
Evolution is a theory. It isn't really proven. Even if it is, God might have guided evolution through its path.
4. God isn't worthy of worship if he kills innocent children.
I believe that God is not responsible for this act.
5. It's offensive to claim Jesus is the only way to God.
No it isn't. It's wrong. There are other ways. (Praying).
6. A loving God would never torture people in Hell.
God doesn't torture them. Satan does. XD
7. Church history is littered with oppression and violence.
See 1.
8. I still have doubts, so I can't be a Christian.
We aren't perfect, for crying out loud. (Lee Strobel takes things too literally)

Questions? Reply to this if you do.

[orga the alien]

Whoever said that evolution is the source of life is wrong.

[Young Link Addict]

God and Heaven are just ideas. God being a being a good guy who wants every thing right, Satan shows evil in people, and Heaven is what people thought the world should be. Too bad people were dumb enough to believe it. :( Then they corrupted this idea by killing people who went against what they believe in. Thus religion is an idea that was badly corrupted.

[orga the alien]

Wars and stuff like that has happened due to religon.

[kyledude92107]

My issue:

If everything developed from one molecule, how did that molecule get there?

Things don't just magically start existing.

[mariowings77]

Also something must be wrong with God if he let his son die. What kind of father does that? That's just incredibly stupid.

Not to sound like I'm making fun of you or anything, but you have almost zero understanding of why God let Jesus die. :| See John 3:16. Yes. That over-recited verse.


1)I really don't know anything about it. I have not gone to church since I was about 4. They tought me about God though a mole character that looked kinda like Mr. Resseti. All I know is that God "made the universe, and rules over everyone 2)and if you sin you go to hell." It makes no since.




Ok, I'm sorry but I felt a need to bring this back up...

1) If you want to know anything, then Just pm me and I'll try to answer your questions.
2) That's not true. If you sin, you won't go to hell. What I believe is that god put us here as kind of a test. He wanted to see if we will make the right choices when faced with different decissions in life. He already knows what we'll do, but he's doing this for us. Now, earlier on, you asked why god would let his only son die. I would recommend that you read the scriptures for that. You just need to read to find out. It's not that hard!! But to sum it all up, he did it because he loved us. If jesus didn't die, then everyone would be going to hell in a hand basket!!

From what I've posted above, I guess you can all tell that I don't believe in evolution. ;) I'm a pretty religious guy if you want to know the truth!

[benoit489]

If you can find some time to do this, watch the H2O video series: http://tv.cityonahillproductions.com/

It'll answer some of the misconceptions there are about Christianity.

Episode 3 and 4 are pretty good.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

2) That's not true. If you sin, you won't go to hell. What I believe is that god put us here as kind of a test. He wanted to see if we will make the right choices when faced with different decissions in life. He already knows what we'll do, but he's doing this for us.

Do you really want to see if that's true or not? :P I'd rather just believe everything the Bible says, instead of risking making an incorrect assumption.

[mariowings77]

Oh, whoops! Forgot to add something to that statement!
What I meant to say was that if you sin, you won't automatically go to hell. However, if you don't repent(ask to be forgiven) of your sins, then more likely than not, you will go to hell. At the end of the world, God will bring everyone to his judgement bar to be judged according to their works. It's there where you will find out if you will go to hell or not I believe... (I'm not 100% Possitive if you find out there, but I know that he will judge everyone fairly)

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

Yes. ^

If you automatically went to hell for sinning, not one person would be in Heaven.

[floof5467]

why are we debating about evaloution[or however you speel it] and god for one god for sure is not gonna be how the bible says exactley because a human thought the bible up not god himself there may be god but he most likely will not be exactley how we think now evoulution supposevly we all came from cells and then grew up to some aquatic creature and then went to land and so on now what we all want to know is how those cells got there well i mean human cells NOBODY KNOWS AND NOBODY WILL KNOW UNLESS THERE IS A GOD AND HEAVEN AND HELL. wich we also dont know

[benoit489]

(i.e. Muslims to eradicate non-Muslims because Muslims believe their way of worshiping is right.)

Muslims don't do that. They accept both Christianity and Judaism as valid beliefs. All 3 religions worship the abrahamic God. They believe that we all have our own spiritual part to play in this world. It is the Taliban that takes scriptures from the Qu'ran and misinterprets or stretches them.

[dragonboy]

I beleive in both evolution and religion.

God invented genes. That's it.

[cheat-master30]

I don't know what hell has to do with any of this (the afterlife questions are difficult because they're unprovable either way), but back to the topic, any ideas on evolution, rather than going off on a tangent about heaven, hell and religious tolerance?

[orga the alien]

ORLY?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html
Also Floof it has to do with cell structure changing slowly over billions of years,\.

[benoit489]

It's still a loosely tied theory. You can tell from the article that those people want it to be a link. All I see is a fossilized monkey, but you can believe that's what you would have looked like if you were born 47 million years ago. You see, their "links" aren't really links. They even admit there's a large gap in data and they don't really know much. People will see what they want to see. The people who found this are convinced by Darwin's theory that evolution created humans, but all we have to go on is this monkey fossil?

[cheat-master30]

More evidence that can be said about creationism or 'intelligent design'. A book is not solid evidence.

[Master Yoda]

Here's something hilarious: heard of that new 47 million year old fossil named "Eda"? The missing link in evolution.

Think hard: don't you think God made everything that exists in our favor? For example, he might have made nitrogen lighter than oxygen so we can breath. Gravity was created in our favor, too. I just got that idea...

[orga the alien]

That argument actually supports evolution in a way. Since organisms evolved to their enviorment. The argument that the earth is perfect for us supports both sides.