Abortion

[NintenDan]

So I was thinking of a topic of debate for me to post here, and well, up popped this topic. This issue has been around for a while, and opinions are as varied as the colours in a packet of M&M's.

But here's what makes choosing an answer so hard. When do a bunch of cells become human? My answer to this is when the cells begin to show traits of human development. That is, a body and the like. Sure, people may disagree, but that's what debates are all about.

So my opinon on the topic title is: I think it's okay. I know, crazy, but it's really just how you look at it. The "baby" isn't aware of life as a whole. Prevention is key, but even when all the precautions have been taken you just cannot control. And an uplanned baby can hurt both emotionally, physically, and much more. Perhaps improper treatment. I would rather having an unplanned pregnancy terminated at first sight rather than leaving it too late and seeing a growing baby suffer; perhaps even die from mistreatment. But that's just my opinion.

Well, discuss and the like here, but no flaming other people's opinions on what's right and wrong because it'll turn into a fight, which is the last thing I want. Any post that I see is demeaning another member will be deleted on sight.

[Chrisjh0223]

Abortion is something I do not like at all, being a conservative extremist. I avoid sexual intercourse to prevent pregnancy altogether, that is the most efficient method of birth control in existence. As for the infant issue, once a sperm cell enters the egg cell the life of the baby begins. At this stage, the beginning of life, this is a human who acquires the rights of any other living breathing person. I could not kill an infant, it would feel wrong and I just know God disapproves of killing innocent people. This is what abortion clearly does, it exists solely to kill innocent babies.

With abortion (pro-choice) the right to abortion or life allows the parents to kill their child or let it live. If abortion is abolished then pro-life would continuously exist, granting the child the right to live regardless of parental choice. The latter is in all honesty better. Think of it, would you like it if your parents had you killed when you were a defenseless, innocent baby? You would surely feel some pain before you died, and my thoughts on the afterlife are for another topic.

Most likely, you would not like getting killed at a young age. God does not like senseless killing, he wants all people young and old to live. Because I'm a person who takes God's will as a priority, I am focused on pro-life and I vote against abortion.

[NintenDan]

Religion does play a big role in this topic, too, as I just realised from your post. To be honest, I'm undecided, regardless of what my first post says. I do agree with your post, however. Especially the part about "Don't want an unplanned pregnancy? Don't have intercourse".

[wasabi jellyfish]

People are idiots about this subject. Someone yelled out "Abortion is Rape!" HOW?!

[Zexis]

Wasabi, if you're going to claim someone to be an "idiot," you need to provide decent support as to why, or else you will receive an infraction. Please clarify on that post.

Now, abortion. When a sperm cell enters a female egg, it's just a cell blob. Really, that's it. It has the DNA to become a human baby, but it is not a baby. Not yet. To me, abortion is okay up until the point the cells become a human; that is, they develop human-specific characteristics, both internally and externally. When they are human, and cannot possibly be anything else (anyone hear of stem cells?), then, to me, killing it would be killing a human, and therefore, murder.

On the other hand, there are these things called foster homes. Why deprive a human of life just because you don't want it? Someone else may. So why not give birth, and then put the child up for adoption? Ethical enough, and nobody has to die. The child may not like not having his or hers original parents, but at least he or she is alive.

[Mr.L]

Abortion to me is wrong. You have to face the facts if your going to have sex. But to me, I think it's wrong to even have sex if your not going to have a child. I learned that a really hard way that everyone in my school would not ever want to know. Makes me want to cry every night. And for a long time, I did. Abortion is not fair for the new baby because it's just as bad as killing any other person.

[imalittlecrazy]

I agree with abortion. Many unwanted pregnancies happen when a woman is raped. And she may not want that baby, so abortion is the way to go. Plus, with this economy, if once minute you are pregnant and can afford a baby and the next in the slums, you may not want a child brought up that way. I'm not saying to just go do it to do it and get an abortion just because it'll ruin your fun. I say abortions be legal, but rare. I also think that you should know something. You're fully awake when you have an abortion, and it's more painful than childbirth. So you shouldn't just go get one to get one. Like I said, it should be legaal, but extremely rare.

[Mario15632]

I say, have the baby whether you like it or not, then give it to the foster home before they can become too attached.

[imalittlecrazy]

That works too.

[WingsMarioDS]

Like imalittlecrazy said, if women get raped, they (usually) do abortion, but should obviously sell it or something. Abortion has a 2 sided face. One, the bad part, because some women have sex on purpose and then abortion, and the good part, because the women who are raped (maybe) did not want the child in the first place.

Bottom point: Don't want a baby? Don't do sex or try protected sex (Sometimes doesn't work)

[wasabi jellyfish]

Wasabi, if you're going to claim someone to be an "idiot," you need to provide decent support as to why, or else you will receive an infraction. Please clarify on that post.

Read my full post not just the bits you want to read

[Chrisjh0223]

Like imalittlecrazy said, if women get raped, they (usually) do abortion, but should obviously sell it or something. Abortion has a 2 sided face. One, the bad part, because some women have sex on purpose and then abortion, and the good part, because the women who are raped (maybe) did not want the child in the first place.

Bottom point: Don't want a baby? Don't do sex or try protected sex (Sometimes doesn't work)

I understand where you're coming from on the part I bolded. God nonetheless treasures all life, and he would rather let infants even in that condition live. The good thing is that when God hears human prayer, he answers it. It may take a long time for a response from God, but when he does act he will pour out his storehouse of wealth and happiness on you and it is so much you will be overjoyed in his presence without any remorse of that unexpected childbirth. The infant will also grow into a well developed person, and prove that with God all things are possible.

[orga the alien]

You could just wear a condom. <_< That way there would be no abortion. Also I'm not for abortion nor am I against it. If people want to get an abortion it's up to them in my mind.

[NintenDan]

Like imalittlecrazy said, if women get raped, they (usually) do abortion, but should obviously sell it or something. Abortion has a 2 sided face. One, the bad part, because some women have sex on purpose and then abortion, and the good part, because the women who are raped (maybe) did not want the child in the first place.

Bottom point: Don't want a baby? Don't do sex or try protected sex (Sometimes doesn't work)
As immature as this is going to sound, (so nobody get up me) upon first glance of your post, I thought you wrote that "woman usually get raped". Thankfully, after reading it, that was not the case. I did become a bit worried for a minute, to be honest.

But reading this topic has enlightened my view, and my opinion in the first post to now has certainly changed. I essentially feel that prevention is the way to go, but if a circumstance (whatever it may be) arises, what do you do next? Sure, sending it to Foster Care or having someone adopt is easy enough, but when the child grows up and becomes aware that his mother abandoned him, surely they will be affected mentally in some way, serious or not.

This topic just has too many factors to say "This is my answer, and that's that".

[Zexis]

Someone yelled out "Abortion is Rape!" HOW?!

Is that how you justify your claim? I agree that...it really doesn't make any sense, but please try to be more careful when picking your words so that less derogatory terms pop up in your posts. Thanks ;)

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

You could just wear a condom. <_< That way there would be no abortion.

They break. They are not very reliable, regardless of their popularity.

Abortion is sick. Learn how to have safe sex if you don't want a baby, and use birth control if you were raped.

If you are having a baby, and it's too late for any of the above, just deal with the child. Learn a life lesson; don't go about having a child each year and then murdering them.

[kyledude92107]

Wasabi, if you're going to claim someone to be an "idiot," you need to provide decent support as to why, or else you will receive an infraction. Please clarify on that post.

Now, abortion. When a sperm cell enters a female egg, it's just a cell blob. Really, that's it. It has the DNA to become a human baby, but it is not a baby. Not yet. To me, abortion is okay up until the point the cells become a human; that is, they develop human-specific characteristics, both internally and externally. When they are human, and cannot possibly be anything else (anyone hear of stem cells?), then, to me, killing it would be killing a human, and therefore, murder.

On the other hand, there are these things called foster homes. Why deprive a human of life just because you don't want it? Someone else may. So why not give birth, and then put the child up for adoption? Ethical enough, and nobody has to die. The child may not like not having his or hers original parents, but at least he or she is alive.

He didn't call anyone here an idiot. >_>

And I think it's all right if the pregnancy was caused by rape.

Otherwise, no.

And I lean heavily towards the liberal side of the political scale.

[Zamurick]

You could just wear a condom. <_< That way there would be no abortion.

They break. They are not very reliable, regardless of their popularity.

Abortion is sick. Learn how to have safe sex if you don't want a baby, and use birth control if you were raped.

If you are having a baby, and it's too late for any of the above, just deal with the child. Learn a life lesson; don't go about having a child each year and then murdering them.
Only if you buy cheap ones.

[dragonboy]

I never ask people to clearify themselves.

I know it will piss them off so I don't do it. It pisses me off when somebody asks me to clearify myself up.


On subject, once you have sex, your screwed. When you abort a baby, your killing him/her, and because your killing somebody, your going to Hell.

[Zexis]

@ kyle

People are idiots about this subject.

He didn't call anyone here an idiot, but he did call "people" idiots. I'd like to know who those people are.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

I think he meant some people act like idiots when it comes to the subject.

[wasabi jellyfish]

What BB said

[Yoshi987]

Abortion? Hell no.
To add to the other points people here have said, the baby can't defend itself or give its opinion on life. How unfair is that?

[Zamurick]

Abortion? Hell no.
To add to the other points people here have said, the baby can't defend itself or give its opinion on life. How unfair is that?
Would you rather the baby be born and when s/he grows up and finds out s/he was adopted s/he realizes s/he was a mistake?

[kyledude92107]

Or the baby ends up being beaten and killed by parents that didn't want it?

:/

[kyledude92107]

Just throwing this out here since he's not a member...

[18:44] sleepmode: "On the other hand, there are these things called foster homes."
[18:44] sleepmode: No
[18:44] sleepmode: Anyone who says this has no idea what the foster care system is like in this country
[18:45] sleepmode: I think the child would rather not exist than go through that hell
[18:46] sleepmode: Ideally, all children would be wanted by some loving family
[18:46] sleepmode: But that's clearly not the case

[orga the alien]

Agrees with Zam and the person who kyle posted for.

[Mario15632]

Speaking of abortion, did you guys hear about the abortion doctor, Dr. Tiller? He was murdered at church by an anti-abortionist (obviously) who didn't approve of his special practices.

[orga the alien]

That happens a lot beileve it or not.

[UnknownToaster]

I say if they were raped they shouldn't have to have it.
To some of you it may not have become to mind that childbirth is EXTREMELY painful.
Not to mention all the stress, pains and other problems that come with pregnancy.
If your a 15 year old girl walking around obviously pregnant, people are gonna judge you like crazy. Its TERRIBLE!
Why should someone have to go through that if they didn't even want a child, with this person, or in this way.