Conspiracy Theories; Your thoughts?

[cheat-master30]

Do you believe in them, or think they're a load of rubbish? For me, I say they just don't make any sense, and fail quite a few obvious points of note:

1. First off, the amount of money, time and effort for a conspiracy theory like the moon landing hoax or what not would far, far outweight the legitimate alternative. For example, you'd have to pay every single person in every single role involved in the entire thing, which on a decent wage could be around 100 billion dollars. On normal wage. You probably would pay a lot of people a lot higher than that in fairness, so the budget hit would become really, really apparent to someone, the money isn't unlimited and has to be diverted from somewhere.

2. Secondly, they assume way too much good nature on people's behalf. People are not robots, nor saints. A vast conspiracy for hundreds or thousands of years would require millions to conspire in a way that if even one let the secret out, the whole thing would just collapse like a house of cards. Plus, the media go after this stuff on a very, very persistent basis. They want readers/viewers/listeners, and they don't care how they get them. One person leaking information, whole thing gets ripped apart in three minutes. Have you seen how quick stuff gets leaked online for example? Every time a big site gets hacked, all the private information ends up on three hundred different websites in ten minutes. Remember that vBulletin forum permissions slip on the support forum? Yeah, it pretty much hit forums and Twitter within about ten minutes, and the information was only visible for that long... Imagine that for something like Area 51 getting infiltrated...

These conspiracies frankly go straight into http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosRoulette. The intro sums up what's wrong with most conspiracy theories, especially ones about stuff like the masons and illuminati:

The plan is ridiculously convoluted, often relying on events that are completely within the realm of chance - yet it comes off without a single hitch (or so we're told; it's only in retrospect that we find out that pretty much everything that's happened in the series up to this point was part of one huge, overarching plot).

[Chrisjh0223]

I believe they're fake. Nobody has ever proven the existence of certain things like Bigfoot and the Lochness monster, they have only been legends of lore that have no real evidence. People overthink what they see and believe. I will not believe in the existence of these folktales unless people get real, documented and video taped evidence.

Also, there have been some UFO videos around the net (presumably on YouTube by now also) that show probable sightings, yet I believe that these are actually government/military tests that we were not supposed to notice.

Most likely, UFO sightings and rumors around the Nevada desert and Area 51 are basically cover ups to protect American freedom. The government wants people to think that they were holding aliens and alien technologies with the aid of leakage pros. Yes, some information occasionally leaks unintentionally, but I believe this was intentional. Our military officials likely wanted civilians to believe Area 51 was dedicated to alien research yet I believe this is all to distract people from knowing what is really there, such as practical, realistic military arsenals like the stealth bomber technology and anything else they work on. Seriously, do you want your enemy (Middle Eastern terrorists in this case) to know what you're doing in your research laboratories? The conspiracy here is to help mask what's really going on behind Area 51's doors.

As per the UFO sightings in the Nevada desert, again I believe it is simply the American air force testing out the latest jet fighter craft. It is not a UFO from outer space, contrary to what tourists may believe. The way they see it from the ground is most likely a lopsided angle as to what a stealth bomber looks like.

[lightspeed97]

I believe they're fake. Nobody has ever proven the existence of certain things like Bigfoot and the Lochness monster, they have only been legends of lore that have no real evidence. People overthink what they see and believe. I will not believe in the existence of these folktales unless people get real, documented and video taped evidence.

Also, there have been some UFO videos around the net (presumably on YouTube by now also) that show probable sightings, yet I believe that these are actually government/military tests that we were not supposed to notice.

Most likely, UFO sightings and rumors around the Nevada desert and Area 51 are basically cover ups to protect American freedom. The government wants people to think that they were holding aliens and alien technologies with the aid of leakage pros. Yes, some information occasionally leaks unintentionally, but I believe this was intentional. Our military officials likely wanted civilians to believe Area 51 was dedicated to alien research yet I believe this is all to distract people from knowing what is really there, such as practical, realistic military arsenals like the stealth bomber technology and anything else they work on. Seriously, do you want your enemy (Middle Eastern terrorists in this case) to know what you're doing in your research laboratories? The conspiracy here is to help mask what's really going on behind Area 51's doors.

As per the UFO sightings in the Nevada desert, again I believe it is simply the American air force testing out the latest jet fighter craft. It is not a UFO from outer space, contrary to what tourists may believe. The way they see it from the ground is most likely a lopsided angle as to what a stealth bomber looks like.

When I went horse riding in Pinebush, it was stated that it is considered the capital of U.F.O.s. At first I thought it was bull, but I saw one. I'll show you the pic I got:http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6299/italyufo2.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=italyufo2.jpg)
It was moving really slow and made a humming like noise. It didn't land or anything, it just went by. All the horses started flipping out but when it was gone, they stopped.

[Chrisjh0223]

I don't know what to make of that photo. Being a still photo, it could have been done in Photoshop. I'm not saying you're lying, and it could be real, but it's not sufficient evidence due to the existance of photo manipulation today. Seriously, the things you can do in Photoshop when you truly put your mind to it are near limitless.

This is why using solely photos to prove the existence of things like U.F.O.s, Bigfoot, Yetis, Lochness monster, and ghosts are not credible by themselves. People will always point out that these pictures could have simply been doctored up.

[imalittlecrazy]

^ He's right. Chop shopping a photo like that is easy.

[lightspeed97]

That's true, you really can't trust photos these days...

[cheat-master30]

I believe they're fake. Nobody has ever proven the existence of certain things like Bigfoot and the Lochness monster, they have only been legends of lore that have no real evidence. People overthink what they see and believe. I will not believe in the existence of these folktales unless people get real, documented and video taped evidence.



Ditto. And relatively clear evidence too, if I personally saw ANYTHING unusual, I would instantly get out a camera and take a good few dozen clear photographs of the object. There's no excuse for just one bad photo unless you're either lazy or trying to hoax people.


Most likely, UFO sightings and rumors around the Nevada desert and Area 51 are basically cover ups to protect American freedom. The government wants people to think that they were holding aliens and alien technologies with the aid of leakage pros. Yes, some information occasionally leaks unintentionally, but I believe this was intentional. Our military officials likely wanted civilians to believe Area 51 was dedicated to alien research yet I believe this is all to distract people from knowing what is really there, such as practical, realistic military arsenals like the stealth bomber technology and anything else they work on. Seriously, do you want your enemy (Middle Eastern terrorists in this case) to know what you're doing in your research laboratories? The conspiracy here is to help mask what's really going on behind Area 51's doors.

As per the UFO sightings in the Nevada desert, again I believe it is simply the American air force testing out the latest jet fighter craft. It is not a UFO from outer space, contrary to what tourists may believe. The way they see it from the ground is most likely a lopsided angle as to what a stealth bomber looks like.

The point of it possibly being used to cover up more realistic plans and testing of military equipment partly makes some minor sense, there have been plenty of mundane tricksters who tried to make their activities and in some cases crimes seem like urban legends and rumours to avoid suspicion. This page gives some examples of criminal variants to this rather evil tactic:

http://snopes.com/horrors/poison/halloween.asp

(not to mention the fakings and what not I hear Scooby Doo and such series were based on)

It's possible I'd say it's a cover up deliberately, considering smaller scale cases of such activities both harmless and malicious, but I'd personally be more inclined to believe human error. After all, the blurriness might easily also mean they're mistaken and obviously didn't get a clear enough picture, hence confusing something boring and mundane with the supernatural.

[Zexis]

Oh, I don't know about conspiracy theories, but when it comes to the government, I'd say some are real.

There's a lot of evidence supporting alien life forms. Personally, I find it hard to believe that we're the ONLY planet in the whole universe capable of supporting life. And, think about it. Would the government admit that our planet is being visited by extraterrestrials? Hell no. Imagine the panic that would cause. Especially within the religious community, which I'm sure would be in total denial. As long as the government can cover-up even the best alien evidence - and I'm talking about the evidence that people have a tough time disproving - they will, because it's the best thing to do at the time. I hate being kept in the dark, but it's better than total global chaos.

[MrLuigi]

Aliens, if they exist, are the underdogs to humans.

[Zexis]

Aliens, if they exist, are the underdogs to humans.
If they can visit our planet, I have feeling that they are a much more advanced race than human, Luigi.

[elvis1835]

Their like fairy tales and Video Games. While some are based on real, true events, Most are just there for the entertainment.

[imalittlecrazy]

Yup. But some of them are true.

[Chrisjh0223]

^ Indeed. One of which involved paramecium and other single celled animal remains found in frozen lakes on Mars.

[MrLuigi]

Aliens, if they exist, are the underdogs to humans.
If they can visit our planet, I have feeling that they are a much more advanced race than human, Luigi.

Advanced?

So they can travel, big deal?
But do they have war-heads, ammunition, cows, bombs, missiles, etc.

In any photograph real or fake I haven't seen any gun of any sort.

[MrLuigi]

^ Indeed. One of which involved paramecium and other single celled animal remains found in frozen lakes on Mars.

See, we ARE more advanced. We aren't dead and were singled-celled.

[QuillDrill]

On conspiracies I don't understand some of them, well most of them like the whole "9/11 - Government Done" thing. And with Aliens I'm halved, I mean why would they just fly over us and not do anything? Yet I also believe/hope we aren't the only organisms in the universe that aren't microscopic

[wasabi jellyfish]

^ Indeed. One of which involved paramecium and other single celled animal remains found in frozen lakes on Mars.

See, we ARE more advanced. We aren't dead and were singled-celled.

That makes sense?

[link64]

Aliens, if they exist, are the underdogs to humans.
If they can visit our planet, I have feeling that they are a much more advanced race than human, Luigi.

Advanced?

So they can travel, big deal?
But do they have war-heads, ammunition, cows, bombs, missiles, etc.

In any photograph real or fake I haven't seen any gun of any sort.

why would they need a gun if someone is taking their picture?

[elvis1835]

Maybe their allergic to bright flashes. -_-.
The questions you guys have been asking about aliens apply to time travel for me. If we will ever be able to travel to the future (or to the past for that matter) How come we haven't seen any future travelers showing up here?

[Chrisjh0223]

^ Probably because they do time traveling through portals in secret locations, and they are exactly like us in every appearance. They resemble their fellow human beings by perfectly adapting to our era, and thus blend in as if invisible.

[elvis1835]

Well that would be strange. Wouldn't that screw with the timeline or something?

[orga the alien]

There will never be time travel. Time is based on the earths rotation,

[link64]

if there are people from the future here they wouldn't tell us because the government would probly capture them and run tests on them

[Chrisjh0223]

Well that would be strange. Wouldn't that screw with the timeline or something?

It could, depending on the scale of their action(s).

if there are people from the future here they wouldn't tell us because the government would probly capture them and run tests on them

This is so true.

[elvis1835]

But I mean just by being here there affecting the flow of future events because anything they say or do shouldn't exist because they aren't technically supposed to be here thus altering the timeline.

[Mr.L]

Clearly, all of these thing started out as dreams. I believe that their really has got to be atleast one life form outside of earth. Alien or no alien. Time travel will simply never be possible, for time is about the rotation of the earth. Besides, what happens and what happened should not be changed, It's life.

[imalittlecrazy]

Clearly, all of these thing started out as dreams. I believe that their really has got to be atleast one life form outside of earth. Alien or no alien. Time travel will simply never be possible, for time is about the rotation of the earth. Besides, what happens and what happened should not be changed, It's life.

Well some of the things are true. Like the IAMS conspiracy theory. They really do horrible things to those dogs and they've been know to kill them after 7 years of "service". And the Butterball theory. That's real too. Workers DId have sex with, throw into walls, and spray paint turkeys. And that's why I'm going vegan.

[Mariofan4ever]

i only believe in the area 51 conspiracy. Aliens do exist, and there is quite a bit of evidence supporting that there is a conspiracy