Why do so many experts in topics seem completely arrogant sometimes?

[cheat-master30]

I never got the huge amount of experts in subjects (especially specialist subjects like video games and programming) who seem to be completely arrogant and basically after finishing a project never want to be associated with said project again. It just annoys me really. Why start a project that you don't have any long term interest it? Why decided at the perfect time to suddenly ignore any questions, queries or discussion about it? Why run a website and then be absent from it half the time?

I just don't like a lot of the people who seem to have a 'better than you' and 'don't contact me' aspect to them. I hate people who work for a company with no interest in the future of said company... especially when the company or organisation could pick staff and volunteers from the many people actually with an interest in either the product or the company itself.

Anyone else feel the same way?

[ninjablooper]

I agree.

[Phazon]

I can sypathise. Imagine if you were asked the same questions over and over and over. You'd wind up ignoring a lot of questions too. I know what you mean though. That sort of attitude that implies that you are better than other people, simply because you know more about one particular subject. Honestly, I don't see it as much as I used to, but I still see it occasionally. Luckily, for every one of these arrogent individuals there are a number of people with knowledge that are willing to answer questions and help.

[cheat-master30]

It's not so much 'ignoring' questions as much as acting like a complete jerk when answering them or refusing to talk about anything you contributed to that annoys me. I also partly think if you contribute to a community, you need to be the kind of person who can both take criticism and who doesn't end up feeling superior to everyone else.

[Phazon]

I don't think the problem is feeling superior. In many cases they genuinely are better, but I agree with the rest. If you're going to be arrogent towards a community simply because you can do one thing better than the majority of others, then you don't belong in that community. This applies to real life as well as the internet.

[dragonboy]

Let me guess, you met smkdan at smwcentral?

[cheat-master30]

Let me guess, you met smkdan at smwcentral?

Not particularly, but I saw your ordeal and know exactly what you mean. On the bright side, it's basically come back to bite that forum in the ass now, because a LOT of their best members have been leaving recently or banned. It's also sometimes less active than even here, with literally four times the members.

I don't think the problem is feeling superior. In many cases they genuinely are better, but I agree with the rest. If you're going to be arrogent towards a community simply because you can do one thing better than the majority of others, then you don't belong in that community. This applies to real life as well as the internet.

Pretty much. I also hate a lot of internet 'veterans' in their condescending attitude towards new users and the average joe internet user in general. But still.

It does however seem 'hacking' and 'homebrew' type communities are more prone to elitists than some other places. Usually it seems to come with long running, narrow topic areas of websites.

[cheat-master30]

Oh, and this summarises it to an extent:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfFanJackassery

[Chrisjh0223]

I believe certain people think of themselves as a dominating elitist figure so to speak, and then decide to consider only their own feelings and opinions. They have the 'better than you' and 'don't contact me' aspects to them because they feel you're not worth the effort just because they think their methods are the best and they do not need to explain themselves. Oh sure, they care about your money, but they don't care about you.

I'm not entirely sure about the following, but I do believe EA (Electronic Arts) are like this to an extent. They seem to ignore what the fans want and just go about their own work. The people in charge of Tiberian Wars C&C 3 (in reference to the game itself such as units) did away with a quality depiction of NOD from Tiberian Sun and went with their own style (big mistake!). This led to the Tiberian Series bombing out. The first two games in the Tiberian series (Tiberian Dawn and Tiberian Sun) were fantastic when Westwood Studios were in charge, but EA bought them and their licenses out and went with their own style. Man, EA really knows how to take good quality reputations and dumb them down.

The real Westwood Studios that us fans came to know and love really cared about the fanbase, EA is the opposite. EA is in it to get more money for their international corporation, regardless of what the fans request.

[Phazon]

I remember seeing some sort of chart that can basically be summed up like this:

Beginner - good attitude, bad skill
Noob - bad attitude, bad skill
Expert - good attitude, good skill
Jackass - bad attitude, good skill

Anyway that's the long and short of a jackass. Skillful, but with a bad attitude.

EDIT:

Not to be all psychological, but the general stereotype of "gaming pros" is a social awkward geek. Not to mention the personal bitterness that probably built up inside them over the social rejection they are constantly subject to in the real world. Obviously being an outcast of society in the real world they seek a feeling of superiority, which can only be obtained through the anonymity of the internet.

Anyway that's just some theory I thought up that is probably completely wrong.

[cheat-master30]

I believe certain people think of themselves as a dominating elitist figure so to speak, and then decide to consider only their own feelings and opinions. They have the 'better than you' and 'don't contact me' aspects to them because they feel you're not worth the effort just because they think their methods are the best and they do not need to explain themselves. Oh sure, they care about your money, but they don't care about you.

I'm not entirely sure about the following, but I do believe EA (Electronic Arts) are like this to an extent. They seem to ignore what the fans want and just go about their own work. The people in charge of Tiberian Wars C&C 3 (in reference to the game itself such as units) did away with a quality depiction of NOD from Tiberian Sun and went with their own style (big mistake!). This led to the Tiberian Series bombing out. The first two games in the Tiberian series (Tiberian Dawn and Tiberian Sun) were fantastic when Westwood Studios were in charge, but EA bought them and their licenses out and went with their own style. Man, EA really knows how to take good quality reputations and dumb them down.

The real Westwood Studios that us fans came to know and love really cared about the fanbase, EA is the opposite. EA is in it to get more money for their international corporation, regardless of what the fans request.

To be honest, that's a problem with a lot of video game companies and any kind of business that's made a lot of money to some degree. Over confidence and general 'better than thou' aspects. I can just say one thing though; for a company, that's one quick way to a very small and generally sheep like fanbase if they continue in such a way.

I remember seeing some sort of chart that can basically be summed up like this:

Beginner - good attitude, bad skill
Noob - bad attitude, bad skill
Expert - good attitude, good skill
Jackass - bad attitude, good skill

Anyway that's the long and short of a jackass. Skillful, but with a bad attitude.

EDIT:

Not to be all psychological, but the general stereotype of "gaming pros" is a social awkward geek. Not to mention the personal bitterness that probably built up inside them over the social rejection they are constantly subject to in the real world. Obviously being an outcast of society in the real world they seek a feeling of superiority, which can only be obtained through the anonymity of the internet.

Anyway that's just some theory I thought up that is probably completely wrong.

No, you've probably summed up it well, at least the psychological part. I don't think there's much I can add to it, other than that certain forum subject areas (think hacking, competitive video games, politics) seem to have more of these kinds of people than others.

[Goomba Smackdown!!]

I hate this arrogance, especially in writings on religion and politics (and other serious matters). "I'm right, obviously, you and everyone else with your same beliefs are definitely all morons." Both sides of the arguments are that way too, I don't realize why they all can't just grow up.

[cheat-master30]

Religion and politics are horrendous when it comes to arrogance, no joke, as you said.

[dragonboy]

Here is a cartoon I made when I was bored today, that is about what I think of internet forums.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2269/08262009101241pm.png

[ninjablooper]

Nice comic! XD


One person who actually responds to stuff even though he has tons of subscribers on Youtube is chuggaconory. I've sent him stuff relating videos and have gotten responses.

[Zamurick]

You need to be the kind of person who can both take criticism and who doesn't end up feeling superior to everyone else.

The world and/or society you speak of does not exist. It's entirely natural to dislike criticism. Don't expect people to welcome it with open arms.

[Zamurick]

I hate this arrogance, especially in writings on religion and politics (and other serious matters). "I'm right, obviously, you and everyone else with your same beliefs are definitely all morons." Both sides of the arguments are that way too, I don't realize why they all can't just grow up.
The arrogance among discussion of religion has to do with the frustration of all the people who cry about having their faith questioned. You'd be surprised how many people report a post that has something to do with God's non-existence for flaming.

Personally, I dislike being around religious people, Christians in particular. I hate knowing the fact that a lot of Christians pray to God, asking for courage, strength, serenity, or whatever. Some Christians even pray for God to stop something himself, rather than asking for the tools to fix their problem. I hate it because they're relying on someone other than themselves.

And then they apologize to and thank God for everything... out of FEAR, not faith. Fear that if they don't, they'll be sentenced to an eternal suffering.

Ugh.

[cheat-master30]

Here is a cartoon I made when I was bored today, that is about what I think of internet forums.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2269/08262009101241pm.png

Relatively accurate, sums up most big forums I've seen quite well.

You need to be the kind of person who can both take criticism and who doesn't end up feeling superior to everyone else.

The world and/or society you speak of does not exist. It's entirely natural to dislike criticism. Don't expect people to welcome it with open arms.

I however would prefer it if people would treat criticism intelligently, and respond in words and intelligent debate rather than flames and insults. As for superiority... I find it the biggest problem with 'success' in general. I'd love to watch people who get arrogant from their 'success' lose their entire fanbase to their arrogance, but sadly the sheep like ness of some means it won't happen.

[Zamurick]

I however would prefer it if people would treat criticism intelligently, and respond in words and intelligent debate rather than flames and insults.
The flames and insults only start when it is made clear that one side of the argument doesn't care what the other has to say. It's "made clear" most often when one side is asked a question (or several) and they avoid it with other points and/or accusations.

I'd love to watch people who get arrogant from their 'success' lose their entire fanbase to their arrogance, but sadly the sheep like ness of some means it won't happen.
As would I, but, unfortunately, people tend to get their arrogance from their fan-base, not their success.

[cheat-master30]

The flames and insults only start when it is made clear that one side of the argument doesn't care what the other has to say. It's "made clear" most often when one side is asked a question (or several) and they avoid it with other points and/or accusations.

Depends. I've heard of some people being so arrogant they just flame anyone who disagrees with them, regardless of whether the other person is being remotely civil or not.

As would I, but, unfortunately, people tend to get their arrogance from their fan-base, not their success.

True, probably because fanbases in general seem to put up with nigh on anything.

[dragonboy]

Ever noticed, in my fight with smkdan, my points ACTUALLY made sense?

[cheat-master30]

Got a link to back that up?

[dragonboy]

It's in the "why can't programmers optimize their assembly" thread at smwcentral.com. I'm not really sure if it's obvious or not, but I find a lot of flaws in his logic. If you have any questions about the argument, I can explain my side and why I think the way I do.