Why the 'snaking' arguments fail.

[cheat-master30]

Yes, I know this is from my latest blog entry, but the reading rate for that was not too brilliant just now, and I am ready to know what people think of the article (in next post).

By the way, do you agree with the article?

[cheat-master30]

Why the 'snaking' arguments fail


The more of them I read, the more I just want to lose faith in humanity even worse. Basically, they go against every form of logic in a logical book, and I will say exactly why they are not going to work, will never work and why the existing arguments fail.
For one, you cannot win an argument. Changing people’s beliefs is extremely difficult, if not impossible, and as proven time and time again, people will so tightly cling on to their beliefs almost until the day they die. Whatever is said here will make no difference. The sides will keep their positions, and I can guarantee not even 5 people reading the arguments have changed their position since doing so.
It is also a circular argument, mainly because of the poor quality of the arguments, and pathetic dodging of important points by both sides. This means it will go right round in a circle until basically the end of time, and whatever happens, there will be no progress, just repeated same old, same old for pretty much the topic’s lifespan at least.
Let us not forget the foolishness of the arguments themselves. A technique being fun? Has anyone ever realised in all of mankinds history that fun, like many things is subject, and another thing that I would consider in the eye of the beholder, or dependant on the individual. Remember, you are both arguing about the techniques, you will not both find the same things fun! Both sides find one way more fun than the other, that is why the two sides are against each other for who knows whos sake! So remember, this argument is basically worthless, and should not be used (the fun one).
Now the official stance argument. I am very sorry here, but neither side has actually used all the official views. The ’snakers’ keep using the ‘pro snaking’ ones by Nintendo and the ‘anti-snakers’ keep using the ’snaking is wrong’ views by Nintendo. Will you sides both learn that Nintendo is not on one side, that Nintendo is a company, made up of employees who have different opinions on things, that one guy’s views either way is as worthless generally as the rest of the worlds? Think about it, ask anyone at Nintendo and the response will be different, depending on if you ask Joe Smith, John whatever or the janitor.
And why do you we assume their answer is their actual intention? Because for all we know, any one of the official sources may or may not have intended it and changed their mind after the technique was shown being used. Or they could have been bribed. Or maybe even say the argument that most makes the side that asks them happy. Do we know that? Can we know? No to both.
Plus, since anyone can be anyone online, how do we know anyone from Nintendo is not a Gamefaqs member, or a hired spy to find out what gamers are saying online? How do we know one of the arguees does not secretly work for Nintendo? We don’t and cannot find out (unless Cnet gives out that information, and probably gets sued big time for breaking data protection laws). For all we know, anyone could be from Nintendo, or the game makers, or anyone.
On a final note, look who is causing this argument? A select few people. And by their behaviour, note how I am starting to think those who are keeping this alive are just trolls wanting to see a mass reaction to these topics? Because I am pretty sure all starting this on both sides are only posting to annoy others, and if we ignore them, they should go away bored.
This argument is basically evidence that people never grow more mature in intelligence in many ways, and still seem to have a habit from like stone age times of being attracted to fights and arguments. Basically, please consider that while you are wasting your time in an argument between a few trolls, good, intelligent topics may be purging or being left to rot because of how people seem to have changed very little from kids watching fights in school playgrounds.
Act like adults. Ignore the jerks.

[Luis]

Argeed. People can`t stop snakers. I remember I was snaking and I didn`t even know I was doing it.

[cheat-master30]

Same. I was taught by my cousin for the traditional 'snaking' notion, and go way better than him at it, but knew SSMT back in Double Dash.

[Lightningthepikachu]

I think snakiing is stupid and I was racing a ghost on mario kart wii on wifi mode and the stupid gosht was snaking.

[sam-i-am]

If you don't use AR and you don't glitch(Snaking is not a glitch), it is not cheating. It is a techniqe. If you disagree with the techniqe, don't use it and get pwnd by people using this techniqe.

[Luis]

The casuals are too lazy to learn it. They think it requires too much work. School is too much work.

[NintendudeCT]

I refuse to use it and usually beat snakers with the typical MK way of using items strategically. Therefore, snakers don't really bother me.,

Besides, don't really have to worry about it in MK:Wii seeing how it's 100% impossible.

[NintenDan]

I quite like the Mini-Turbos this time around in MKWii, you can have Mini-Turbos, but not snake... just spam wheelies, heh... no, this is about snaking.

[cheat-master30]

I refuse to use it and usually beat snakers with the typical MK way of using items strategically. Therefore, snakers don't really bother me.,

Besides, don't really have to worry about it in MK:Wii seeing how it's 100% impossible.

I would absolutely likely crush you in either Mario Kart DS or Wii, since I can official 'snake' well enough to not have to worry about items from 'non snakers'.

[sam-i-am]

Snaking is moving side to side ALWAYS having a miniturbo on, so if you can beat a snaker, he is not snaking. MK Wii is meant to use wheelies as much as possible, look at the expert staff ghosts, so you cannot "spam" wheelies.

[NintendudeCT]

Snaking is moving side to side ALWAYS having a miniturbo on, so if you can beat a snaker, he is not snaking. MK Wii is meant to use wheelies as much as possible, look at the expert staff ghosts, so you cannot "spam" wheelies.

I agree on the second part, but for the first part, if you hit a player with a red shell or blue shell ect, when they are snaking, it will stop them. Then you can slow em down and eventually pass.

Cheat, I am not going to try to be rude, but seeing how you have not raced online, you really can't say whether or not you are good in Mario Kart. You could be amazing offline against the toughest challenges, but it's way different online.

[cheat-master30]

I tried to find my last TT video for Mario Kart DS that's a significant length (unless you think Koopa Beach 2 is a long level), but it went down when I deleted my Sitesled account. However, this is close, ignore any sounds:

http://dsultimate.net/Video/100_0923.MOV

[cheat-master30]

Oh, found it:

http://dsultimate.net/Video/Airship.wmv

[NintendudeCT]

Again, as well as you may do with Time Trials or Vs. offline, you will never truly know how good you are without going against others online. It is not even close to the same thing.

[cheat-master30]

Actually, Time Trials is more skilled because items don't come into it. Seriously, people have been practicing time trials for like 6 years in some case, got the exact strategy down, etc. Seriously, online isn't all that means skill.

[Dr.Aaron]

Just stop caring, and snake to the max, see anyone starting anti snake topics on message boards just say ''lol u r a jew'' and leave.

[Dragon Knight]

Time Trials and online are completely different things. Time trials, the only opponent is yourself and you always have to learn what is the best route to take and so forth. Online, you can't apply your time trial skills because you got items and other people to worry about. Items are not about just using them as soon as you get one. Example, you just got a gold mushroom but the path ahead of you may not make it worth using, so you wait. You got some people who know what to do with their items and you have to match their wits.

[cheat-master30]

I know exactly how to use items from playing people offline and that darn 3 stars in every Mario Kart game so far (and I've been on the receiving end of just about every item combo possible, and survived). I already wrote guides on using items before (Triple Items Guide and Banana/Fake Box placement guide, I don't get much else).

[cheat-master30]

Oh, and playing with basic items is more skilled, or at least with Lightning/POW Block/Bullet Bill/Blue Shell disabled, because if you mess up, you then have to play catch up with the rest of the opponents rather that getting a power item for assistance. I even use this mode with the computer, and if I fall off or something, rely on sheer skill to get back to first and stay there.

[NintendudeCT]

You just don't understand. Everone online has different techniques and strategies. It's not like they all do the same thing. There's no possible way to just play offline and know how to counter everything. The CPU is really easy to beat even on it's most difficult setting. Playing friends/family/people you know/local people isn't enough. You need to play all over the world.

Get Wi-Fi, beat people online with your techniques, record it, then tell me. Because at this point, you do not have enough to back your statements up, due to the fact you have never actually found out whether or not you are truely better than others.

[cheat-master30]

Then if you're that obsessed with claiming that, I challenge you to play someone else on this forum who's good at 'snaking' or something. Like Astr0 maybe, or that Dr.Aaron who posted a few posts back. But at this rate, I guess I'll get my essays on these topics and wait for the results of you playing against those two.

[NintendudeCT]

Yeah, but there's the difference. They've had wi-fi, and could figure out the non-snakers techniques. You can't do that offline.

I would surely be smoked by them.

I'm not saying you couldn't beat me Cheat, it's just we wouldn't know unless you got Wi-Fi, because offline isn't enough to polish skills.

[cheat-master30]

Then don't act so confident that not 'snaking' will beat someone who is 'snaking'. If you can beat a 'snaker' without 'snaking', to be honest they kinda suck... Seriously though, the only person who 'snakes' and loses to 'non snakers' I've heard of is the Donut Plains 1 Staff Ghost...

[NintendudeCT]

Well, I'm not trying to be confident on always beating snakers. Of course I lose to alot of them if I can't get the right items or such. But I do beat quite a few of em. You just need to plan out the use of items is all.

You know who does racing really well? Dragon_Knight. He's really good at it. Although, he's like naturally born amazing at MK.lol He wins alot without snaking in MKDS, and he does awesome online with only a kart. Specifically, the winged kart.

[cheat-master30]

Of course Dragon Knight is good. He's also a nice, fair player that doesn't hack and doesn't disconnect when someone else is winning like what was common in Mario Kart DS. Plus, he's a 'non snaker' that doesn't start fights about the same old topics...

In terms of beating 'snakers', trust me, it's not possible without it. Lightning? Still possible to win. Blue and Red Shells? Advanced 'snaking' tricks include dodging them without items. Off road? PRB.

[cheat-master30]

I also remember him having a disconnector gallery. That was cool.

[NintendudeCT]

Of course Dragon Knight is good. He's also a nice, fair player that doesn't hack and doesn't disconnect when someone else is winning like what was common in Mario Kart DS. Plus, he's a 'non snaker' that doesn't start fights about the same old topics...

In terms of beating 'snakers', trust me, it's not possible without it. Lightning? Still possible to win. Blue and Red Shells? Advanced 'snaking' tricks include dodging them without items. Off road? PRB.

Yeah. I hate it when people use cheats online and disconnect. Ruins the fun and makes things go slow.

And lightning and triple items aren't online. Nintendo disabled them.

As for PRB, that's going a bit far, seeing how it's a glitch. Nintendo has discussed it and decided that snaking is all fine, but PRB is in no way fair, no matter what the circumstances. They don't care how hard it is or how much skill is needed. They are against it.

Like I said, I don't mind snakers, I just choose not to do it, and I still have a postive win count, which is rather higher than my loses. There's never a race where there isn't a snaker, so you tend to get used to it, and learn ways around it.

[cheat-master30]

Erm... I'm sure Lightning is online, but not triple items (this is Mario Kart DS, right? Accidentally thought of Mario Kart Wii there). Oh, and any evidence Nintendo is against PRB? The US site has nothing about it, and ONM UK is too rubbish to use it or know what it is...

On the 'Nintendo's official sites were better before the redesign' note, the other stuff of any boredom for games like Mario Kart Wii (haven't checked Mario Kart DS) is stuff like:

'What other games are like Mario Kart Wii?'

Mario Kart 64, now available on Virtual Console, Mario Kart Double Dash for Gamecube and Mario Kart DS for DS.

Which even leaves out half the series, so expecting them to know about PRB is pretty silly...

[cheat-master30]

Edit: A: Mario Kart Wii is the latest game in the Mario Kart series, which also includes Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Double Dash!! and Mario Kart 64. As a GameCube game, Mario Kart Double Dash!! is compatible with Wii, while Mario Kart 64 can be downloaded for Wii via Virtual Console. Unlike Mario Kart Wii, neither of those two titles utilise the motion sensing capabilities of the Wii Remote. For more information on Virtual Console, click here.

Well duh...

[NintendudeCT]

It was back at NSider. NOA_Andy(yeah, he's a jerk sometimes) posted the discussion in the Mario Kart board. It had the creator's and testers thoughts on it and other stuff. Not quite sure if people bothered to post it elsewhere. I'll let you know if I run into it though.

And I'm positive lightning is not online in MKDS.;)

[cheat-master30]

If anyone can get an archive, please send it to me for reading purposes. If of course you want to know what I think of PRB, see the essay in the main site...

[ninjablooper]

i used to snake alot but ten i stopped playin mkds for awlie and now im not sure if i can still do it

[NintendudeCT]

Edit: A: Mario Kart Wii is the latest game in the Mario Kart series, which also includes Mario Kart DS, Mario Kart Double Dash!! and Mario Kart 64. As a GameCube game, Mario Kart Double Dash!! is compatible with Wii, while Mario Kart 64 can be downloaded for Wii via Virtual Console. Unlike Mario Kart Wii, neither of those two titles utilise the motion sensing capabilities of the Wii Remote. For more information on Virtual Console, click here.

Well duh...
Haha, that's funny.

If anyone can get an archive, please send it to me for reading purposes. If of course you want to know what I think of PRB, see the essay in the main site...
Will do. Thanks for the discussion Cheat.:) I'm glad you aren't one of those annoying people who have no real reasons to back things up for snaking.

[cheat-master30]

Of course I don't just flame and argue, but I do have backup, and this is what I tell every 'snaker' to use because it's a far better argument than insults:

http://dsultimate.net/Essays/SSMTessay.htm

[sam-i-am]

I play wifi on MK DS once a week. And I snake. And 9/10 times, I beat them. I only lose when there is a 4 player game, and I lose to other snakers, and item farming combined. But, on one on one, I win, 89/100 times, I only lose to a better snaker.

[Candler]

Im in favor of snaking. Theres nothing wrong with it. Saying you shouldn't use snaking in MKDS is almost like saying you shouldn't wavedash in SSBM.

[sam-i-am]

What is wave dashing?

[minimario]

I quite agree. Its almost impossible to change people's opinions.